Part Norman Bates. The review board said the passes will start at 30 minutes and increase incrementally to a maximum of full days. I am not at risk for anybody. They put him on medication and under various therapies. Published in Volume 71, Number 21 of The Uniter (February 22, 2017). Without warning, Vince Li made a break for freedom. Its the overall picture thats never been put to rest. I'm looking forward to putting more of my content into audio and developing new, original podcasts on mental health topics. There has to be some permanent restraint put on potentially dangerous people who prove theyre capable of violent acts. I asked him about Vincent Li earlier this week: . Li wanted a victim and Tim McLean was it. The Guy On The Greyhound Bus was Vince Weiguang Li, a 40-year-old Chinese immigrant to Canada who left Edmonton, Alberta eastbound for Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba. Reddit's main subreddit for videos. It was their mandate. On July 29, 2008, Li boarded a bus heading for Winnipeg and arrived in Erickson. This case opened a Pandoras Box containing the issue of long-term criminal responsibility by the mentally ill. Friends lost a guy whod give them the shirt off his back never mind a laugh from their innards. Tim McLean, 22. Family and friends of victim Tim McLean, wearing t-shirts remember him, enter the Law Courts in Winnipeg, Canada, March 3, 2009 prior to the trial of Vince Li. First, Li has already stated he is open to voluntarily having his medication monitored. Then Tim leaned back against the window with his headphones on and drifted off to sleep. Please try again. Their mandate is to recover someone, not to punish or deter them. No one argued that. If he gets it, it will be as if McLeans murder never happened, with nothing on the books even mentioning Li. Li, who has since changed his name to Will Baker, said he heard the voice of God telling him to decapitate and cannibalizeMcLean, a fellow passenger who Libelieved was an alien. Warehouse Li, they agreed. Its the lunatics running the asylum. YOURE ON DEATH ROW WHATS YOUR LAST MEAL? Bus passengers were severely traumatized. Shell never get over this. Two years later, he began unsupervised leave from the hospital but only for short periods. Deemed not responsible. Li also boarded the bus a short time later. Li was undiagnosed before he killed McLean, meaning he has never had to voluntarily stick to a treatment plan. Thats plain wrong. They put far too much weight in academic opinions and not enough on what actually occurred. Thirty-seven passengers were aboard the bus. A man in a mask is now standing inches from your face, holding one gun against your body and pressing another into your hand. ELISA LAMS GHASTLY DEATH AT THE NOTORIOUS CECIL HOTEL IN L.A. We encountered an issue signing you up. Unlimited online access to articles from across Canada with one account and fewer ads, Get exclusive access to the National Post ePaper, an electronic replica of the print edition that you can share, download and comment on, Enjoy insights and behind-the-scenes analysis from our award-winning journalists, Support local journalists and the next generation of journalists, Daily puzzles including the New York Times Crossword, Access articles from across Canada with one account, Share your thoughts and join the conversation in the comments, Get email updates from your favourite authors. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a victim of circumstances much like the pedestrian creamed in a crosswalk by a drunk. It was July 30, 2008. Its exactly like it never happened. There is no actual man in a mask, of course (if there was, there might be grounds for a duress defence a separate issue); rather "the man in a mask" is a euphemism for a mental illness that has you convinced you must hurt others, usually to stay alive. Li had one brush with police for peculiar behavior. by Six Nations Rugby. READ MORE: Vince Li approved to live at group home in Winnipeg He was found not criminally responsible for beheading Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus back in 2008. I dont think it matters if youre mentally ill or not. Mounties look into the bus in which Vince Li was holed up along with the decapitated body of Tim McLean. There are extensive videos and transcripts available on hours and hours of a forensic psychiatrist interviewing Li and trying to get inside his head. Since that time, Li has undergone nearly nine years of psychiatric . Part Jeffrey Dahmer. He had no family, no friends, no support and no supervision. The shrinks saw it different. When he killed Tim McLean, he stabbed him in the neck and chest with a large hunting knife. IS A SERIAL KILLER LOOSE ON THE HIGHWAY OF TEARS? Subscribe to it anywhere you listen to podcasts. Vince Li, or whatever the fuck he's changed his name to, deserves at the very least, a lifetime of professional supervision. Li paraded Tims lifeless headback and forthup and downalong the parked Greyhounds aisle. Now that Vince Li understands what hes capable of when he goes off his medication, why on earth would he want to do that? "I think for the advancement of my own being my own soul, I will have to come to a place of accepting," Carol DeDelley, McLean's mother, said Tuesday. I don't hear voices," Summerville quoted Li as saying. Arm-chair Swat members later crucified police for not shooting Li to stop his butchering rampage but the police held at bay. The mother of a man who was beheaded and cannibalized on a Greyhound bus is criticizing a decision to grant complete freedom to the man who committed the violent crime. The decision was blasted by critics nationwide, as Canadians asked how a man who decapitated a Greyhound passenger less than 10 years earlier could possibly be set free. 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Bit by bit, Vince Li was put back on the street. DID MARILYN MONROE REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? Now Li moved toward the back. This week, a criminal review board in Manitoba decided to lock up Vince Li, the knife-wielding man in their nightmares, in a high-security psychiatric ward for a year. Vince Li, the man who was found not criminally responsible for beheading a man on a Greyhound bus in 2008, has been granted an absolute discharge. But the biggest sufferers were Tim McLeans family. IS SCIENTOLOGY A CRAZY CULT AND BIG FAT GLOBAL SCAM? An Ontario father has become an advocate for people designated "not criminally responsible" after his daughter was nearly stabbed to death in 1999. After six years, Li was released in 2015. It's so terrifying to me, that he was just sleeping against the window, something literally anyone in that spot would do. [Will] Baker is free. THE PSYCHO-BATES MOTEL ON VANCOUVER ISLAND, THE MOOSE HIDE CAMPAIGNENDING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN & CHILDREN. As de Delley told CTV Monday, He has an incurable illness that makes him do terrible things, and I believe he needs to be in an institution that addresses those needs.. DID VINCENT VAN GOGH REALLY COMMIT SUICIDE? Period.. We have to acknowledge he is sick, not evil, which means he can't be locked up forever. He got off, had a smoke, then reboarded. And what can potentially occur. And last week, after years of earning back small freedoms such as supervised day trips and unescorted outings, Li was granted an absolute discharge. Everyone bailed off except for Li. In 1999, however, the Supreme of Canada ruled that people found not criminally responsible for their crimes must be given an absolute discharge without restrictions or conditions if they no longer pose a significant threat to the public. It took a bit to get Vince Lis medication right and stabilize him. It wasnt only the dramatics. Its made of people with law degrees and medical degrees. His brain was lying to him and convincing him of a reality that was not true. The killer was released from the high-security mental health facility in 2017. Vince Li, who beheaded a fellow passenger aboard a Greyhound bus in Manitoba nearly four years ago, believed he was chosen by God to save people from an alien attack. Real Criminals Referenced in Season Thirteen. The week following the attack, Greyhound Canada announced it was pulling a series of nationwide advertisements which included the slogan, "There's a reason you've never heard of bus rage.". "He understands now that schizophrenia is a mental illness which plays tricks on the brain. Helunged it to sleeping Tims neck. Thats a noble goal for psychiatry but a dangerous gamble for society. WHO REALLY KIDNAPPED AND KILLED CHARLES LINDBERGHS CHILD? This isn't a call to have every person who suffers from mental illness monitored forever by law enforcement; but after someone has committed such a violent, traumatic act, he or she shouldn't ever be completely "free.". Coronavirus: What one of the youngest patients in a B.C. Most of the polled public agreed this was the right decision. Li later attempted to drive the bus away (but was halted since the driver used the bus's emergency immobilizer system) and then tried to climb out of a window after a day-long stand-off. The aisle seat beside him was vacant. After sitting next to McLean (who fell asleep and barely acknowledged him), Li suddenly withdrew a knife and stabbed McLean to death while numerous passengers looked on in horror. If you are a Home delivery print subscriber, unlimited online access is, Never miss a beat in Canadian Curling with the new On The Rocks newsletter, Stay Posted on Canadian Curling with the On The Rocks newsletter, Call Vince Li ('Will Baker') what he is: A cannibal killer who beheaded Tim McLean, WARMINGTON: The Kayla Lemieux show cancelled; no longer at Oakville school, Chris Rock will finally hit back at Will Smith over Oscars slap, Maple Leafs lose to Edmonton Oilers as Connor McDavid scores two Sheldon Keefe must find right fit for new defence, NO JACKET REQUIRED: Blue Jays pack away home run jacket as part of gritty new attitude, Vince Li is pictured at a court appearance in a Portage La Prairie, Man. CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS IT JUSTICE OR MURDER? God controls all things and God made me do it.. Greyhound cannibal gets to leave mental hospitalJudge: Beheading suspect not responsibleBus beheading suspect pleads insanity. I too used to think of Vince Li in an extremely negative light. Then waking up to someone stabbing you repeatedly, for no reason. ", Justin Trudeau must put the rights of victims ahead of criminals. 5 KILLER TIPS FOR WRITING DEADLY CRIME FICTION, ELEVEN THINGS YOU CANT DO WHEN YOURE DEAD, NO WITNESSES TO NOTHING AMAZON BESTSELLER, STEMI 5 KNOWN REALITIES OF THE UNIVERSE, WRITING DEATH SCENES / PODCAST WITH THE CREATIVE PENN. But what about when someone commits a heinous, violent act while in the midst of a paranoid delusion? TRUE STORY HOW A GHOST CONVICTED A MURDERER, THIRTEEN TERRIBLY CLOSE CALLS WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON ACCIDENTS. Li, who suffers from a severe form of schizophrenia, was found not criminally responsible for his macabre actions, and sent off to a maximum-security mental health facility presumably for life, but has since gained incremental freedom and started living alone last year, although he's still being monitored. Tim smiled. Then he went back to work. I'm trying to come up with any reasonable argument that justifies any blame to go to Greyhound. Li was fired in Edmonton after a strange interpersonal altercation. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. There was little regard for the publics protection that Linow Will Bakerwould be permanently locked up like the law should allow. Vince Li knew exactly what he was doing and he remembered it. I am glad to take it. Tim let a blood-curdling scream. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. Finally, on February 10, 2017 Vince Lee was declared completely stable and reliable to function on his own, including regulating his own medseven though all psychiatrists agree schizophrenia is an incurable mental disease. BETWEEN THE BIKERS NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK RELEASE, NXIVM THE CRAZY SEX CULT OF KEITH RANIERE, A PRETTY EVIL TALK WITH AUTHOR SUE COLETTA, LAST STATEMENTS FROM THE TEXAS DEATH ROW CHAMBER, ON THE FLOOR NEW BASED-ON-TRUE-CRIME BOOK BY GARRY RODGERS. Vince Li carried on. Its as simple as that. When Vince Li committed the act that he did he had been suffering from undiagnosed schizophrenia, and was in the throes of a psychosis-induced episode. Vince Weiguang Li, was born in Dandong, China, on April 30, 1968. The public is supposed to believe that forensic psychiatrists can walk on water, and are infallible in their diagnoses, even though the human brain is stuffed with the complexities of a 100-billion neurons, each with upwards of 100,000 synaptic connections that must line up precisely in order to avoid the prospect of short-circuiting. Blood-dripping knife in one hand. Li was born on April 30, 1968 in Dandong, China. EpiPens dont work in space? Then Li stood. WHO REALLY MURDERED AND MUTILATED THE BLACK DAHLIA? With my partners at Ars Longa Media, we released True Crime Psychology and Personality: Narcissism, Psychopathy and the Minds of Dangerous Criminals. This means that someone must literally commit the act of the crime, and they must also be in a state of mind to consciously and willfully intend to do so, in order to be found guilty. Try to imagine what Li went through when he woke up from his psychotic episode, when he realized that the reality he was operating under wasnt true. He was found not criminally responsible. While in the hospital, Li was sued by several of the bus's passengers and that had been present during the attack, as well as McLean's family members. Theres something brain-draining about academics. He tried to fight back. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. May 18, 2012 / 11:48 AM The Manitoba Criminal Code Review Board. The standoff, that is. I would ask forgiveness, but I know it would be hard to accept," Summerville quoted Li as saying. Also got to legally change his name after being released as well. Li at some point married a woman named Anna and became a menial worker at Grant Memorial Church, working there for six months despite the language barrier between him and others. They contained the scene and attempted to reason with Li. After he was deemed NCR, he was sent to the Selkirk Mental Health Centre for treatment. In his mind, he and his trusty buck knife had just slain a demon. God made me do it, Li said. Its also about whats wrong with a broken criminal justice (legal) system and the strange world of forensic psychiatry. When a court deems an offender "not criminally responsible" (NCR), it accepts that a crime was committed under these sorts of conditions. On March 5, 2009, McLean's killer, a 40-year-old Chinese-Canadian named Vince Li, was found not criminally responsible (NCR) for the murder, and was remanded to a high-security mental health facility in Selkirk, Manitoba, where he was detained until his release on May 8, 2015. Vince Li was born and raised in China. Like, how could someone kill and dismember a stranger on a bus be in their right mind? McLean had his eyes closed and was listening to music on his headphones when Li suddenly stood up and started stabbing him. Its a travesty. The 2008 murder of 22-year-old Tim McLean, attacked as he slept in his seat on a bus about an hour outside of his home town of Winnipeg, was one of the most ultra-violent killings imaginable. As I see it, the two main sources of outrage over Vince Lis trial is the publics lack of understanding in regards to mental illness and a general ignorance of how Canadian law operates. 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