by verdenpark 26 Mar 2012, 07:11, Post Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. 4 Mk. This condition remained until the end of the No4T life and the introduction of its replacement - the L42. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? Here are 2 genuine early Singer produced sights - the SM 41 example was more correct to apply to my 1941 MalTby: Note the all blackened finish - dark and matt - typical of war time efforts at H&H. The Lee-Enfield rifle was first adopted by the British as a military arm in 1895 and . I believe the number " 1 xxxx" means it was manufactured at Maltby. These came together as you see them; bayonet and sheath have "4" painted on. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. Savage was the only other maker to follow Singer's pattern of marking the spring plunger. Go to. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". I scabbard may have been made in the USA, given the lack of any maker's or proof marks. Many minor variations in parts are present across the different manufacturers and for the different years that the rifles were produced. Cure Date: Five distinctly different markings were used (all are pictured at left): Lucas marked the bayonets with M158 on the top of the socket. It is essentially an updated N0. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 4Mk. The finish varies considerably between manufacturers, with Baird bayonets approaching the excellent finish of the No. not at all lol, from the markings I can find and other details would you guys say it's a long branch with a savage magazine? 7B/1005/21/103/1147 Yet again, once the sequence of numbers caped out letter prefixes were used to start the sequence over. 3. Seen in the picture above are the normal spots to find the serial number and manufacturers information on the No4 and the No5 rifle. (21mm.) This revised specimen was the best of its type and was still in use by NATO forces. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. VNS mark represents "Viners Ltd. Sheffield, England" a subcontractor of Enfield parts. No. Henry Repeating Arms recently presented a $25,000 check a nonprofit organization that provides support and programs for the families and co-workers of firefighters killed in the line of duty. 5 mm. 4 Mk. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. Quote Reply Topic: No4 Mk1* identification help . Also, the Tape Hunt makes a return. For official references, usually the finished and issued rifle was tracked by its rack number and of course these records have long since been destroyed or lost forever. 196,200 were produced, all by Joseph Lucas Ltd., Chester Street, Birmingham. The No. The safety latch style and M47C mark and the SM marked rear sight as as the 1945 examples above. But the persistent zero problem became an annoyance. Information on the scope as well would be appreicated. 0000000016 00000 n So I would say the "S" mark can be used for verification of a real rifle but it is not the main course of study. The leather is quite thin, suggesting that this might have been done for civilian (e.g., police) use, rather than military use. The factory eventually went on to produce cylinder heads for Davey-Paxman landing craft engines. The box label indicates that these were packed July 8, 1957, at the 5th Storage Depot, Moncton, New Brunswick. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. The final result in March 1944 became the No. 4 Mk 1* (T) rifle in .303 British made by Savage in 1942. 1 Mk3 mark III SMLE No4 Mk1 1917 British Parts Lot S at the best online prices at eBay! S191 was Franco-British Electrical's dispersal code. Re: Lee Enfeild No 4 Mk1 Markings by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50 Your serial No. The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, Life in the Third Reich & Weimar Republic, Kriegsmarine surface ships and Kriegsmarine in general, Luftwaffe air units and Luftwaffe in general, German Strategy & General German Military Discussion, NSDAP, other party organizations & Government, The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section, The Ron Klages Panzer & other vehicles Section, Panzer & other vehicles - Photo threads, Axis Documents, Feldpost numbers, Postcards & Other Paper Items, The United Kingdom & its Empire and Commonwealth 1919-45, The Allies and the Neutral States in general, German Colonies and Overseas Expeditions, The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923, Translation help: Breaking the Sound Barrier, http://www.rifleman.org.uk/Dating%20your%20rifle.htm, http://parallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsfo opic/38127. The metal components of the early examples were oil blackened, making a durable dull black finish. It is essentially an updated N0. wide. H&B The No. 5 S.D. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 13:42, Post (120mm.) As the war drew to a close the field feedback resulted in a prototype webbing target style sling being trialed (made by MECo). RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". The Parker HAle PH215 series triangular sling swivel is "High Tower" and will have the triangle clear the trigger housing loop to spin 360 degrees - these are also typically bright blued or blacked. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! APEX Gun Parts is your source for hard to find gun parts, parts kits, and accessories. These come for the Lee-Enfield No.4 MK1. The Lee-Enfield No. You're probably going to have to "infer" its origins from things like proof marks. They did not add the serial number of the rifle to the second butt stock edge, nor the S51 mark to the wrist - this Hollands work is not recognized as required for continued service in those parts. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). It was a simplified version of the Short, Magazine, Lee-Enfield rifle that served the Empire so well in the first unpleasantness. Note that not all FTR rifle were converted. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 8 units over the past 12 months. broad arrow proofmark 1943" over "CAT. Prince-Smith used four different markings: Howard & Bullough Co. of Accrington, Lancashire, was one of the smaller makers of the No. long by 1.75in. Advertisements. Manufacturers in North America did not use Dispersal Codes. 0 The No. These were originated for the No4 rifle design by Singer Machine Co, hence they are often referred to as a "singer sight". Post on Oct 26, 2019. . 150.00. There are almost 2 years of rifle production that did not receive this triangular sling swivel at the factory and would have it added in service - especially prolonged Cold War British service - it is still possible to encounter a rifle that was an early discharge / loss that never received the triangular swivel update. First debuted in November 1895 as the .303 calibre, Rifle, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, the rifle has still found use today in military, sporting and ceremonial roles - over one hundred years since its inception in its original form. Canadian Arsenals produced a run of approximately 5,000 No. N30 over H&B (pictured at left). The little safety spring has a Long Branch stamp,the front sight protector was made by the Singer Sewing Machine Co.,the magazine follower was made by Savage. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. Mine is a 1943. 0000004719 00000 n Snipers in the field (Europe) were prove to take a Bren length webbing sling and leave the 1907 Leather behind. 4Mk. The factory site was razed to accommodate (apartment) flats in the mid-1980s. Approved in November 1939, along with the Lee-Enfield No. This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. When reference is made to an all matching SMLE the serial numbers must all be the same. Unlike other makers of No. These specific letter prefixes were assigned to ROF Fazakerley and BSA Shirley, the only two manufacturers of the No5 rifle, this ensured that there would be no duplicate serials during the production run of No5s. British Lee-Enfield No7 Mk1/L knife bayonet, scabbard and frog M/78 Date 1954. Top to bottom an . Up Next we have a Lend-Lease Agreement Lee Enfield No.4 MK1 Rifle Chambered in .303 Brit, And this Rifle is in Excell. 4 Mk. Of the rifles I have examined this appears 1 in 10 or so times on real rifles - applicable to 1943 to 1946 production. 4 Mk I Long Branch aperture sights In 1926, the British Army changed its nomenclature; the SMLE became known as the Rifle No. If it has a lateral screw through the back of the forend, it is either a post war production Mk.2, or an earlier mark that has been rebuilt. The last picture shows an unusual Prince-Smith mark comprised of a large "56" on the socket face. A quantity of No. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. British Enfied rifle No.4 in action protecting a Bren gunner. In the case of Savage Stevens the serial numbers began with a 0C1 and for Long Branch 0L1, these serials progressed in sequence directly relating the serial number to the number of rifles produced. If the * on the receiver ring was on a No.1, it would mean the action had 'pitting or rust'. 4 Mk. 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The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. Savage used variations of both a plain "s" and an "s" inside a Square. Although some knife bayonet designs were considered, most types submitted utilized a cruciform blade. II* bayonets. Rifles are in good to very good original condition and ready to fire. The stocks of British manufactured examples are typically a naturally seasoned English walnut that has a moderately dark brown color and has a tight, straight grain. The No. GI#: 102214907. A redesign of the Lee-Metford (adopted by the British Army in 1888), the Lee-Enfield superseded the earlier . The bolt heads are marked 0, 1, 2, or 3. [35] It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. Prince-Smith & Stells in Keighly, Yorkshire, produced 1,057,515 No. $15.50. Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. 4Mk. They may have the numbers stamped into the front portion of the fore-end and on the bottom of the magazine. 0000004592 00000 n ownership marking. No. It retains the 10 round box detachable magazine, however the largest change to the rifle was the addition of a rear aperture sight. 30,000 rod forgings. 4 MK 1 and retained its original chambering in .303 British. However, these scabbards are encountered far too frequently for only 25,000 to have been made. 0000001570 00000 n . Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1944 No4T on the left and two heavily reworked "sportster" T's (the middle professionally done by Sante Fe) and an American surplus "bubba" on the right. II* bayonets. Manufacturers will be noted either on the left side of the receiver or on the left side buttsocket. I (T) and No. This suggests production by a private contractor that was paid according to the number of pieces accepted. 4 Mk. II: Singer in Scotland, the Savage Stevens Co. in the USA, and Long Branch in Canada. The rifle was dated 1942 and a lot of the No 4 and some No 1 SMLEs issued to South Africa was eventually sold to the SAP agencies then onto the surplus market. What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. This lowered costs and allowed manufacture by subcontractors. " gh" over "1 9 h". 1 scabbards. 4 bayonet evolved (or devolved), with each generation becoming more crude and cheaper to manufacture. Westland of Croyden - an alternative to their "C.E.W. Lot of 4 Vintage Tin Halloween Noisemakers. II* bayonets, Baird secured the spike to the socket using a steel pin. Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. The easiest way to identify a "Jungle Carbine" rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. The butt stock above was taken from a real BSA No4T - it is clearly a service replacement - but not by a British armorer - the serial number for the rifle is stamped with 2 sets of numbers - on 3/8" and the other 1/4" - rather crookedly. Mazak is, by far, the most common, followed by blued steel. 4 Mk. This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. Four scabbard designs saw significant use with the No. 5 Mk I (for example, Savage or Method III This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. 2 mm. On the right the "England" stamp was a required format for origin to be imported into the US after @1965 and is clearly stamped through all of the finish layers. No4 mk1 is stamped on the side of the reciever. The used value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($5.68) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $600.00 . When the number sequence reached 9999 the next letter assigned to the factory would be substituted in place of the former. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have a couple of No.4 Mk.I's, and they do not have anything like the makings shown. 772 0 obj<>stream It is a bolt action repeating rifle with a 10 round box magazine and free floating barrel, and is chambered for the venerable Mk.VII ammunition in .303 caliber. 1943 went up to 'BL'. The Lee-Enfield No. Other makers welded the spike to the socket. Four firms produced the No. 4 bayonets. The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. Here is a simple shadow board depicting the 4 most common Enfields. The rifle was a No. A general guide for military surplus rifles, pistols, and ammunition. The example shown is marked M47C for BSA Shirley and is also browned. SPONSORED. SMLE Mk1 Forestock. 4Mk. Hosted by Andy H. Gruff, I don't know but will check mine when I get home tonight and report in if it is on mine. I was recently asked to demo how to attach the web sling and its cousin the 1907 leather sling to an No4T for use in the field or range. Other Components - By studying the few untouched (scopeless) No4Ts we can see which other No4T components came from other supplies to the BSA factory from 1941 to 1945. 4 Mk. These are now hard to find in any condition, but this example is near pristine. Lee-Enfield rifle 303 No.4 Mark 1. ROF (F)- Royal Ordinance Factory, Fazakerley, UK, FY- Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, (F)-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, UF-Royal Ordinance Factory,Fazakerley, UK, Long Branch- Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, P.O.F.- Pakistan Ordnance Factory, Wah, Pakistan. I now own one and some of your information is a little off. Weight fully loaded with sling was eight pounds even and overall length a handy 39.5 inches. The securing tab retained the No. The No. Area Code: 443 . An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a British viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Prince-Smith examples. Most likely Jordanian from the Arab Legion, but could also have been used by Iraq. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). 4Mk. Auto Engineering produced approx. However, this has not been substantiated. During the war, the No. Our Price: 195.00: Gunner Points: 19: Stock Info: Out Of Stock: CR322 LE4 Sling swivel. Guns, Parts and Accessories Quick Shopper, WTS/WTB/WTT (Want to Sell, Buy or Trade) Forum, Appraisals, Fakery, Dispute Resolution & Mediation Forum. Get the best deals on Enfield Slings when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. Based on a 1944 Maltby rifle. I'll shoot some pictures of mine this weekend if you want. The schools were also populated by inter-bellum target shooters who had already experienced the Parker Hale and other specialist center / front trigger guard screw replacement sling swivels and various format canvas / webbing slings. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post Being a Mk1* we knew that though. Markings on Lee Enfield rifles No4 serial numbers too. II* over BEC N96, inside an oval (pictured at left). So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers.
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