Very well said. Ill offer help if asked, but otherwise, I try to stay out of itunless an (in)action is directly affecting me, as it was in this case. be positive about the steps your partner does take every time I am aware of my partner taking a session on his exercise bike (which isnt every time he uses it, but often we watch tv together while he exercises), I comment about how I am proud of him. Its always so much easier to see things from an objective perspective when one is looking in from the outside. Not immediately or perfectly, but noticeably and more over time. Its still manipulation. Gastrointestinal distress. Focus on your job/school/career/interests/hobbies/family/friends because this will make you a lot more interesting. Getty Images The Redditor wrote: "So I stopped him saying I'd appreciate. Up until that point, I was always going to fail because a part of me didnt really want to quit. Whose fing body is it anyway, buddy? (snort) Sounds like Mr/Ms Relationships Take Work! had filtered that phrase through the English-to-Jerklanguage translator and was interpreting it along the lines of Relationships take work, so I can totally expect Commander Banana to work on not minding about the money zie owes me never being paid back, and am hence absolved of having to do any of the work of becoming the sort of person who actually pays loans back., I wrote in to CA a little under a year ago (letter #568) and was floored when I read your letter this morning, because there was a lot of the same The Helper and the One Who Needs Help dynamic in me and my fiancs relationship at the time when it came to dealing with my anxiety and driving-related PTSD (FWIW, things are a LOT better now, although it took a few tough conversations to get him to see how messed up some of the stuff he was doing was.). And if hes not interested in investigating ways to help you were back to Case A: Raging Arsehole. And you know what? I hope that your boyfriend is willing to listen, and that he can eventually be supportive in the way that *you need him to be. anyone who doesnt think youre good enough does not deserve you. Its just whining, the fact is that if you really care about someone, you want to impress them. Being The One Who Helps gives you a bit of power and a (falsely) elevated self-esteem. You cant have all your food be treats otherwise youre not actually eating healthy food, but they are needed or you burn out and develop an eating disorder. 3 Turn-Ons & Major Turn-Offs, 3 Reasons Why Men Pull Away (And 1 Way To Win Him Back). Hello, me from the past! I dont try to argue other people out of their feelings, because unless I develop telepathy (avert! I think this list is a great idea! I have a friend who often makes himself go to social outings, because hes noticed the pattern within himself that he usually feels like bailing and not going when an event is about to happen, but if he makes himself go, he usually has a good time and is glad that he did. Towards the end of our relationship, he became toxic, rude, and lazy. Giving me grief for not doing the other 25 letters is NOT HELPING. Even if you end up staying, youll be on much better footing if you know youre not bound there by circumstance. But I do also think the LW is getting quite enough You should from their boyfriend. Maybe your boyfriend can learn different ways of responding to you and learn how to respect your stated wishes without requiring to justify them. Can you help me strategize ways to respond? This is an ongoing issue, and you have an ongoing resource at your disposal to work on it. However, intent isnt magic and the effect of his actions do cause you harm. Telling me how logical he is. This is a guy who hasnt figured out how to be kind and supportive in even the most basic ways. also: breakfast for dinner is awesome and should be a part of every week Unless you dont want it to be, in which case it shouldnt! My husband is very *actually* logical and reasonable. Thats right, mind your own business.* Asking how it affects him could give him an opener for a feelingsdump, and I wouldnt want LW put in the position of feeling like she has to manage his feelings about what she does with her own body. That's key: the minute there's no effort from both partners, then there's no relationship. Also, as an ex-smoker, I agreed with you on the you cant change other people front. Him: Im disappointed that you arent trying to improve your diet the way I said. You: NOT YOUR CALL.. At all. LW, Ive been in your shoes, and youre ignoring how very NOT nice the boyfriend is being with all this. In hindsight there was nothing he could have done. Im sure your partner wants you to be happy and healthy and active, but why? The only script I know of for remarks like that is What did you just say to me? I can think of several people in my life who must have read that book. You know what, these are things that I have my therapist/doctor to advise me about. So few people seem to get this. Your boyfriend may have felt secure with you because, in his head, you had low self exsteem and would not look for someone better than him. How does this affect you? is a lot nicer than what Id end up saying. hes in love with himself as he sees himself manifest through you. Flee! Fun schmun, he can chop thirty onions and keep his mouth shut. You cant have every day be a rest day otherwise youre not actually exercising, but they are needed or you burn out and get injured or sick. He felt justified in hurting my feelings as long as it was based in reason.. Be honest about how you feel. When your boyfriend stops making an effort, there may be a good reason behind it. When I was unhappy with the way her behaviour impacted me, our living space, or our relationship I saw the fact she wouldnt do the easy, obvious things I told her she ought to as indications that she wasnt actually committed to her claims or our life together. (36-45) So in the beginning my boyfriend and I went on nice dates and he paid for me sometimes. If LWs partner isnt interested in learning and compromising, then it seems to me it will be hard to continue with a healthy relationship. My therapist and I called this Shoulding all over me. The LW stops loving him Nevermind the fact that none of my friends were actually offended at all, he just couldnt admit that he had a problem with something I had said. Maybe it's been a day, or days, or even weeks. Hell get mad if he thinks that Im not exercising often enough []. As someone wisely said much upthread, this choice doesnt directly effect me, so it is not my business. Be good to yourself, LW, and if Boyfriend cant be good to you too, well, then I think the Captain is right about this guy being more invested in himself than you. See if there are ways you can make some of the self-care you want her to do easier. Setting limits is an excellent skill to acquire. And with your wife, there may be things you can do that help, but they are probably concrete gestures. My ex-husband was horrible about trying to fix me and getting really mad when I didnt want his help. Absolutely! This does not sound like how you want to be loved, or being loved for who you are, but who someone thinks you should be. Nothing is good enough. Aside from that, by telling him that you don't like her will make him see your point of view. may I say something? Piggybacking on this, just in case LWs partner is well-meaning-but-clumsy-at-expressing-his-desire-to-help and not maliciously-undermining-LW: I wonder if it would be possible, and if he were open to it, to do a few joint sessions with LWs therapist so the therapist can be a neutral party for them to air their viewpoints to and help them strategize better ways of interacting over these issues. He is really good with computers and accounting. I dont even support parents doing that with kids, where a certain degree of molding is part of the role. My Boyfriend Passed Away Suddenly, and This Is What Grief Feels Like. If it were me five years ago, when my self esteem was non-existent, and I were reading this comment thread, my heart would be sinking to my shoes at the very notion of a breakup, because I dont want to be alone for life and who could ever love me again if I screw this up? If you have the energy and inclination to push yourself, get on with your bad self, but thats extra credit. Men who are attracted to you will not refuse sex from you on a very regular basis. LW, if you feel like this isnt the most useful idea for you, thats okay. Sometimes weve done well when he asks me what I think Im doing. That you are so incredibly lucky and your boyfriend is a saint for dating you and youre an idiot it you let him go. If he realizes how much fun his girlfriend is and misses the way she used to make him laugh all the time, hell come crawling back to you. One of our deepest needs as humans is to feel understood, and true understanding is not possible without empathy. Slowly cut these people out of your life. The idea of setting up a should about something like food or exercise for her and expecting her to abide by it sounds abhorrent. you can do it! the whole time. And he does this because he realizes that accounting for the emotions of other sentient beings is logical! That said, hes gotten very good about saying, OK, I can take over X now, please stop when X can be things like make sure I take my meds, make sure I eat, make sure I fill my pill pack, etc. Finally, I also worry a bit about something almost the opposite of not wanting to help you through hard times, which is not wanting you to get better. When I look back, I wonder, why did I ever even get in his car without making him tell me a destination? I like to have a logical reason for everything I do and feel, and I dont have a lot of other problem-solving methods. Thank you. Expressing that anger towards the situation? I wish I could say I dumped him, but in fact what happened is we got through the sucky date, and he later told me our relationship had gotten stale, citing that fight as an example. If theres child support or alimony involved, the presence of those forms should be able to take care of the financial requirements.). okay you have got a lot of permission to dump comments here and I dont want to dismiss what other people read in your letter but offer another perspective. Is it because youve neglected a task you said youd do? To the point where I didnt want to go out because I couldnt take another lecture on how horrible I was. I hope you get out much faster than I was able to. It says hes putting himself and his comfort ahead of your joint comfort together, and also your personal comfort and enjoyment of your own life. I hope you find your way to a nagging-free home, one way or another. And sometimes people respond to that by trying to keep a person from getting healthier. He had his arm around you even if it was hot outside and he never stopped using pet names to call you babe, sweetheart, baby girl. Following the health was hurt because of being pushed to overlook boundaries thought, what Im most afraid of is: does LWs depression come with any self-harming inclinations? And should usually comes from a not so great place. It didnt make it easy, but it helped, and it showed support. And of course if theyre dodgy they tend to do it in a way that seems sufficiently different from our terrible family situation to be very well at least they dont do X thing. Hooo yes. Harville Hendrix has some good insights as to why we pick partners who embody what we needed but didnt get as children from our parents, and how to move toward resolving those issues. Walking is much better for me, sure it isnt strenuous (seriously, WTF????) ! and but Ive been running for 40 minutes 3-5 times a week for months and I dont feel *any* better (in fact, in many ways I feel *worse*), what is WRONG with me? He is actively undermining your success and your ability to feel safe, loved, and healthy. There are many negative reactions a person can have when interacting with a depressed partner. (But again, I do think its an excellent tool to help evaluate a relationship.). Then, repeat what you want him to do and make the boundary plain: I hear you, but I want to be clear: I dont want you to do that anymore., Please stop correcting me and advising me., I appreciate all the help and support youve given me, but I actually need to navigate this on my own., I dont like it when you tell me what to do., The Silent Treatment is really not cool., Youre not the boss of how I eat or exercise, and I think its going to be healthier going forward if you stop monitoring that stuff and if I stop reporting it to you as if you are my nutritionist or trainer.*, I dont need you to change me or to be right about this, I just need you to love me and trust me to do the right thing for myself., I realize I was in bad shape for a while, but as I try to get better, Id like it if you would stop monitoring all these things about me and just found a way to enjoy my company., You may be right about that, but Id still like to handle this on my own without your input., I know you want to help, but I would like to set a boundary around advice-giving. And hey, staying in bed, amiright? Totally. What happened to the man who always had his arm wrapped around your shoulder and never looked at another girl as long as you were both together? One person I dated who trampled all over my boundaries and was generally terrible would tell me that he was challenging me and that it was good to be a relationship with someone who.trampled all over your boundaries? Anonymous: Anonymous wrote:Asexual people are asexual- they don't want sex even when the relationship is new and exciting. And throughout this time, avoid distractions such as social media. While you sort out how you feel about continuing in the relationship, my suggested script for when your boyfriend starts telling you what to do or expressing his disappointment in you is I dont like it when you act like my Life Coach, please stop telling me what I should eat/do/how I should exercise, and/or From now on, I dont want you to tell me how to change or improve myself, at all. Be blunt and say the things that are on the tip of your tongue: No. LW, whatever you chose to do today is enough. And he tried to change me, too (although I was worse): he was always trying to get me to relax more, to spend less time working and instead build my schedule around him. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, theres a real risk they too will experience some sadness that could develop into depression. Yeah and also see direct quote/short version of him. Dont bring past grievances into it, either. Living in constant stress, even if its a stress youve chosen yourself in the name of self-improvement, isnt good for you. And part of me wanted me to be healthier, and that part of me knew the answer to what should I eat was not wheel of cookies, but that part of me was not very loud and I had other stuff to attend to first (like surviving the crippling, paralyzing insecurities triggered by grad school and grappling with what an abusive buttwad my dad was with a trained mental health professional), and you know what? Listen to his response and try to . Dont. They are debate tools. He stopped trying "He stopped trying, I couldn't even remember the last time we went on a real date. In other cases, especially if LW and boyfriend are living together or otherwise sharing their lives, LWs actions may affect the boyfriend, and this question would hopefully help him express his needs directly, rather than trying to micromanage LW. The first few times you resist his help, I think he is going to release the Logick Kraken, who will logically and patiently recount all of the ways that you could be better if you only tried harder. So I get what it feels like to see your partner unhappy and struggling. He seems to be sorry for everything these days. Well, I mean, as someone who prefers her boys on the skinny side, it is totally true that everyone gets to have preferences. And I bet if you looked at that guys life youd find plenty of ways in which he prioritizes his own comfort over a nebulous idea of personal growth, because he sees himself as Just Fine already. What Im getting at is its shitty when my father does this crap to me, its extra double wow shitty if your partner does that to you. Sometimes when Im feeling bad I take on some momentary discomfort as an investment in my future happiness. It's no secret that men aren't eager to discuss feelings. NO. In leechspeak, logical and reasonable mean Whatever I want is logical and reasonable because I want it.. Another vote that you are not strange! If I tell him I already did, he tells me that walking doesnt count, that it needs to be more strenuous exercise. So, I thought about it and suggested I could go buy him a bunch of veggies he likes and he could randomly munch on those when he had cravings. If you suggest doing something with him or if he is the one to bring it up, he will always say maybe. Not. But I know we never get the whole story with these letters. Sometimes its not that he doesnt want to make an effort, but rather that his life is just too busy and chaotic right now. Ive been gone for a week, and Im not going to believe you if you tell me you ate healthy isnt about keeping score at all. Do you know what actually made me feel so much better? Even if improvement is made, it wont be enough to him, and he can still be in charge. I think your bf is in love with the idea of the person he wants to make you into, the person he wants you to look and act like in other words, hes in love with himself as he sees himself manifest through you. Or will. Does he want you to be happy and comfortable in your own body; or is he looking for A Girlfriend Who Matches The Public Beauty Ideal? Thank you for getting me out of the house!. You SHOULD tell this to your therapist, and any other allies you have. Don't reach out to his ex. Its that he doesnt care about Actual you. He wouldnt criticize you and dismiss your choices as being inferiorhed show a genuine interest in the improvements you are making for yourself and be supportive of them instead of tacking on a bunch of additional repairs that would suit his (personal, clearly individual) view of How His Life Would Be Better If You Would Just Upgrade Already. His comfort may depend on your discomfort and misery. *nodnod* The first impression is good and you two exchange numbers. May 18, 2020 by Emily Cappiello. Youre going to hear things like thats the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard. Youre going to hear back all the times youve expressed vulnerability or dissatisfaction with your life as proof that you cant possibly make decisions about anything. I didnt do it for you. I generally figure that a persons issues are their own, and what they choose to do (or not) about them is their own decision. Go to a concert and it doesnt have to be Jay-Z and Beyonce. There is something intimate about sweating next to your partner. So people get made to feel that theyre failing if they have the kind of depression that cant be fixed by green leafy vegetables and jogging (or that they must not want to get well if their depression prevents them from having the energy to cook, exercise, or whatever). Despite that, I managed to meet a kindred spirit. Want to have breakfast next Saturday/Catch up by Skype or phone soon? Since it sounds like your family might not be supportive, avoid them for now, and avoid all people who tend to make you feel small or sap your energy or who have the same bossy/halping tendencies as your boyfriend. Sorry, it posted before I was done. Its ok to say hey, just keeping my head above water is all Im capable of at the moment, no challenges for me right now.. And what am I doing while Im waiting for her to stop the one-sided argument Im passively agreeing to? These are some questions many women ask themselves when they find themselves in this situation. I'd always known that my boyfriend was a bit insecure due to his previous partners cheating on him, but I never realized how often I would text him during the day to let him know who I was with, what I was doing, where I was, and other small things. Thank-you for this comment. I am an overly logical person. This is totally fine when your relationship is great. Attend an anger management program with a trained instructor. Point out to your boyfriend that he's not her savior and doesn't need to ride to her rescue. This was my college boyfriend in a nutshell. Stating your boundaries might just bring his own discomfort into the open. LW, you dont need someone who will put up with you, you need and DESERVE someone who youre willing to put up with. He wont be straightforward in saying no because by using that word he doesnt have to face any consequences for his direct refusal. And when he realized that I wasnt counting walking as exercising but really enjoyed it, he encouraged me to think of walking as exercise, brainstormed ways WITH ME to fit it into my day more, offered to walk with me, and asked me if I wanted a pedometer (note: he did not just buy me one), 4) when I felt like I couldnt do anything but lay on the couch and rewatch TV shows Id already seen, he sat next to me and read, or watched his own shows with headphones in and just quietly let me know he was there WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. Look again at your list the next day and revise it. You can also use the online chat. He seems to be framing it as good diet and exercise will make you feel better rather than be thinner but I wonder if the latter is his true goal here. Be sure to keep the tone of the conversation as calm and neutral as possible if you cant manage this then perhaps consider having a friend mediate for you until both of you are able to talk without getting too emotional about things. He didnt like how I looked, how I liked to dress, how I acted or thought or analyzed media. I dont need bullying at that point -my brain does that for me- I need sustenance and caring. When I said, I would find recognition for the progress I am making much more helpful than notes on what I could do better, he initially balked. So, stop trying to control theirs and focus on what you can controlyour own behavior and responses. You dont need fixing, LW. On a very small and lighter note, and maybe as perspective, I think that eating whatever the heck one wants when partner is out of town is The Very Best Thing You Could Ever Do. I have to agree with this. It is better to be on your own than to have the weight of someone elses expectations on you. I appreciate that you care about me, but Im good, so lets change the topic.. Youre a real person. It was exhausting for both of us. Hit the gym. Youll be happier and lighter without the constant criticism and monitoring, and hell be happier with someone who has the qualities he wants in his new, improved partner (or hell find a willing victim for Coach Body Police: Infinity Annoying Steps To the New You!). By your own admission, youve already made a lot of progress in therapy, and I would suggest that removing his constant nagging about all of your decisions would help you make a lot more. It can be hard to stop caring, even when someone has done nothing but bring you down. Realize that you cannot change your partner's behavior. They're Cold To You And more than. Its a very belittling thing to say. I dont think it really matters whether LWs boyfriend is doing this to try to make her non-depressed, thin or both; hes behaving in a way thats controlling and unhelpful, whatever his reasons. Theres also the fact that you are depressed, at least for now (although congrats on making what sounds like a lot of progress toward improvement). When your boyfriend stops calling the first thing you should determine is whether you did something that may have gotten him upset. Walking is brilliant (assuming you have the spoons and physical ability to do it) its gentler on your joints than a lot of other cardio, you dont need special clothing, and its free. LW, heres the thing about our Jerkbrains: theyre jerks. Id put one more thing on that disaster preparedness list: a good friend who will hang out with you should you start to feel lonely. Because if so, you need to skip all the subtler steps and skip straight to Therapist, these things my boyfriend does and says are making it worse, help! Right now. Does your therapist think that this is normal and helpful behavior? There are the ones who will, when lovingly-but-firmly redirected, go and renovate the bathroom instead, and then there are the ones who wont. Expressing or directing anger towards the person in recovery from a medical condition? Those ultra-logical people can sure be jerks, but theyre not the only ones. You know that already because you are experiencing it first hand. Terrified. Rest days are a vital part of an exercise routine. Hell yes! Have trouble concentrating to work? Hes demanding you account for the stuff you do when hes not there, and is a condescending asshole about it. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, and observes you engaging in self-harming behaviors, and is unable to support you or help you cease those behaviors, theres a real risk they will end the relationship. 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